No more bugs!!!

[Thomas H]

Hi Richard

It seems they are not. If I install 6.3.,1 which is still my favorite Tarot version, I need essential files and the same goes for the new version. I have to run a full setup and that probably will not make the older versions work. Right now I call it a day and will remain without the Orphalese Tarot til I find the solution and are able to install .NET 1.1 again, there seems to be too many issues about installation with the new one.

Cheers Thomas

[Programmer]

Hi Thomas,

If you are anything like me you will benefit from not thinking about this computer problem for at least 24 hours. Personally I am going out for a couple of beers now (I find that usually helps too!).

I only have a little experience with .NET 2 myself. I installed it on my Windows 2000 machine at work and on my machine at home where I have Windows XP Professional. I didn't have any problems installing it, but I did notice that it seemed to interfere with my version of Visual Studio, VS 2002, both at home and at work, so I uninstalled it until I get the upgraded version of VS.

I would be very interested to see a screenshot of the error message you are getting (and maybe a word-for-word translation if your version of Windows is in Danish!). It also occurs to me that this message could actually be from the tarot program itself. There are a couple of message the program displays when key files are missing. This should not happen if you are running the full setup of version 6.3, but it might do if you are just unpacking from the upgrade executable and you have previously uninstalled the tarot program.

Also, do you have any idea why you were getting those messages about permissions when you tried to uninstall .NET before? Are you aware of any issues with user accounts on that machine, were you logged on with full administrator rights if it is a shared machine?

Cheers
Richard

[Thomas H]

Hi Richard

I use an english XP Pro. I have only upgraded the program and not used the full instll files. I am always logged on the machine as administrator since I am the only one using it.

When I conjure up the nerve to continue again I will try to install .NET 2.0 since I have no choice and do a full install of the Tarot program :)

I am like you. Shutting down and doing something that does NOT involve computers

Cheers

Thomas

[Programmer]

Hi Thomas

Another thing just occurred to me. If you are running the setup of tarot version 6.3, or just unpacking an old upgrade executable, both of these things will overwrite the config file in question. The 6.3 config file did not refer to version 2 of .NET (it wasn't out then) so you would HAVE to edit the config file as I described earlier to get it to work, if you now only have version 2 of .NET.

Richard

[Thomas H]

Hi Richard.

I was finally allowed to install both the installer 3.0 and .NET Framework 2.0. I do not want to draw any hasty conclusions but it seems that the program is running more stable than it did on the 1.1.

A sure place to get a debug error was to draw too many cards too fast from the deck that does not occur now, it seems. I wonder if the old framework has been able to make errors, not just for the program but for other functions as well ???

I installed the latest edition of the program but it still has the slower dragging issue and I do not think it is the program, but something on my machine, maybe some settings on the graphic card. I will look into this and tell you exactly what the result will be and why. I downgraded again to 6.3.1. it seems to be very happy for the new framework. I know it is supposed to be faster than the old framework but it seems to be more HDD consuming and stable too. I can live with the extra HDD space being occupied, but what has irritated me the most seems to have gone, the debug errors.

I was not as angry as I sounded yesterday but I was irritated, maybe my outbursts would have been considered to be a severe case of Tourret’s if the right people had been around.

I spend the latter of last night to tweak and remove the framework which was very reluctant to leave my computer. I just wonder if the Framework version 1.1, could have been slowing things down in other areas? I never installed the service pack nor the hotfix, I found out was available yester day.

Whatever happened I got things running again and you were right about the Tarot config file. I had to change it in the old version to make it run on .NET Framework 2.0. Since I do not use Visual Studio I will take my chances with the new framework for a while. But I still think that this .NET Framework can be a real pain in the dll’s!

With relief for having things up and running again I will now give the translations my full attention.

Cheers

Thomas

[Programmer]

Hi Thomas,

I am glad you finally got some version of the Framework installed that lets you use the program again. Maybe it is something to bear in mind that version 2.0 of the .NET Framework has only just come out and it is often the case that an initial release is followed a few months later by a service pack full of bug fixes.

Also I was surprised to hear you have been getting errors such as the one you mentioned when dealing lots of cards in quick succession. I remember getting this error way back when I first released the program but I haven't seen it for years. Maybe this is because I have never run the program on version 1.1??

Out of interest, is it just the card dragging issue that makes you want to use version 631 of the tarot program, or are there other issues which perhaps I can try to fix?

As far as outbursts go, you should really hear me sometimes when I get frustrated with the computer. It would make a Tourret’s sufferer blush! It is just as well that none of my neighbours speak English :)

Cheers

Richard

[Thomas H]

Good thing that they do not understand English. I do not have that privilege here, because all the bad words in English are know by most people here. Frankly, I do not care. I believe in getting frustrations out, better to do it verbally than violently!

The reason, for my relutance of using the new versions are:

It is partly the slower dragging that keeps me from running the new versions on this computer and the new LWB box, which I do not like. Maybe it is a question of getting used to but I have no time to change my notes, also the new readings format is bothering me a little, with back up and all. You do not have to worry I have the new version installed and running satisfactorily on the new system and I will use it there. I have also gotten too used to the way it was set up before, but it is just a matter of getting used to, I guess…

Will try to use it more, but at the time I do not like the LWB dialog box.

Cheers

Thomas

[Programmer]

Hi Thomas,

I am thinking about your comments about the LWB box. As far as the personal notes go, you can just ignore that feature, there is no need to use it at all. So I am guessing the problem is that where you have reversed and upright notes, you don't have time to cut and paste the reversed part into the other box - is this right?

One solution would be to add an option to always display both sets of notes, whichever way up the card is, in the case where the reversed notes are not present. Would this help, or is there something else about the new system that is bothering you that I haven't appreciated?

Re the backup, the dialog only appears the first time you open an old reading. Someone else has objected to it too. I will add an option Do not ask me about backups again.

I really want to keep everyone on the same version if possible. I understand the card dragging issue is decisive for you at the moment, but I don't want there to be anything else putting you off the current version, so you don't mind coming back into the fold when we manage to fix it.

A couple of other throw away comments that people have made to me in emails make me think that the recent changes have not been universally well received. I would really like to invite feedback, even if it is negative sounding, to try and produce the best program for everyone. I mean this as a general comment, I know that in your case the card dragging issue means you will stick with an older version for the time being.

Cheers
Richard

[Thomas H]

Hi Richard

It is for the most part the slower dragging issue and the new green readingsbox which I have a hard time getting used to.

Best

Thomas