Beta - Reading Notes don't clear & other stuff

[purple_scorp]

Hi Richard,

I noticed that whatever set of card notes I am displaying (eg LWB or Personal) are the ones that are copied into the F3 Reading Wizard when you click the Create Reading from Cards in Play button.

Which is cool but how do you get both sets of notes into the one reading document?

I remember you talking about including a third button to allow us to copy the Personal card notes but I don't see it in this Beta. Is it because you ran out of time?

If I display the LWB card notes, then create my reading, then minimise the reading, then go back to the deck and switch to Personal card notes, then go back to the reading and create an RTF from it, I can get both the LWB card notes, and my personal notes in the one document - although the notes effectively display as two different readings (one under the other), rather than Personal notes for card one under LWB for card one, Personal notes for card two under LWB for card two etc.

Also, in F3 Reading Notes Wizard, the card position information is now being copied, but it's displayed after the card notes - I think it would make more sense being displayed before the card notes.

And, there's a bug in swapping from LWB to Personal Card notes that I'll post in the bugs section.

Regards
purple_scorp

[WebWeaver]

I personally like the notes above the position. Here is my reasoning...
When doing a reading I like to include a bit of extra. I used to type a description of the card, now that I send them the images, I like to include the LWB meanings. Many people I'm doing reading for are also readers and many are beginning students. For this reason, I like them to see what the LWB said, then the position and then how I intuited the card. It gives them an insight into how my take on the card can be very different from the LWB. I like that it is above the position meaning because it separates it from my personal read on the card. I also indicate the LWB meaning above. So having them separated from the individual meaning as it applies to the question, position and card is important to me.

I just finished a reading using a deck that had lwb meanings and it looked great this way :o) Everything worked wonderful. Each position then looks like this:

Image
Card Name
LWB Meaning
Spread Position
My interpretation based on Question Card & Position

My two cents .-)

Shari

[purple_scorp]

Hi Shari,

I find it really interesting to see how other people compile their readings, so thanks for sharing that with me.

It just goes to show how everyone is different and how flexible a software program needs to be to cater for everybody's needs.

Just to keep it all in the one thread (cos I've posted this elsewhere) my reading order normally consists of:

Spread description.
Card Positions and Cards Names (summary).
Deck description.
Individual Card Position, Card Name, and Expanded Notes (my notes intermixed the LWB notes - enclosing the LWB notes in so that the people can differientiate).
Summary (and relating all cards back to question)

Prior to Orphalese, I never included the image in my readings, so like you, I would always give a description of each card.

Shari, for the reading you just did, did you manually type in your personal notes for each card? Have you tried typing the personal notes into the card notes (rather than the reading notes section, so they are stored in the db?) I'd be interested to know how you went doing it that way.

Regards
purple_scorp

[WebWeaver]

I typed them into the actual reading. I am now with the additions of the personal notes going to start adding them to the personal area. Most of the time I find the card applies in a unique way to the individual reading. I have been keeping track of my typed meanings in another program AZZ card file. However with the wonderful addition of a separate file I may just start using Orphalese for this. My only issue is I have been keeping them all together no matter what deck I use, so I'm not yet sure how I'll go about that. Then again, I could just create a deck for this, then I could have them all attached to the individual card, reopen a reading with that deck and copy the notes... which would really give me tons of info to go through. The more I use this program, the more I fall in love with what it is actually able to use. Sometimes I have to figure it out.. but it'll do it :o) That would be a great way to see how a card meaning has changed as well as shown up in a reading.

Oh! and the general notes at the end typed in the last cards box looked fine on conversion to rtf. So it doesn't really matter where the general notes go at this point. Maybe if we send the readings off in .reading type it will but not in the rtf.

Shari

[Programmer]

Hi Scorp,

Yes, basically it was a time issue. I have been working on different areas of the program i.e. readings, spreads, notes etc - they are all inter-related but I have been making changes to all the different parts of the program involved. So this weekend I decided I really had to get a beta out to fix the bugs that had come to light in the last couple of weeks, and the card notes part wasn't really finished - it feels like a bit of a botch as it stands, but there wasn't time to get it right.

What I think needs changing is that the CardNotes (F6) form can only handle one set of notes at a time (personal or LWB). This in turn is why in the reading form you can only import the current set of notes, whichever it is set to by using the F8 dialog. I still agree with the original suggestion of being able to import either set of notes at the press of a button. After reading Shari's comments I think the F6 form should perhaps contain a matrix of the four possible options: on the first tab you have the LWB, first a box for the notes when upright, then underneath it a box for the notes when reversed. Then on the second tab you have the same thing but for personal notes.

The bug you noticed in the card notes section is likely to be the same one that Shari emailed me about earlier today. I thought I had fixed it yesterday but I missed something. Anyway I just uploaded another cut of the beta (6.4.3.8) which I think takes care of it - the daily beta :)

Cheers
Richard

[purple_scorp]

Hi Richard,

the F6 form should perhaps contain a matrix of the four possible options: on the first tab you have the LWB, first a box for the notes when upright, then underneath it a box for the notes when reversed. Then on the second tab you have the same thing but for personal notes.

Yes, yes, yes......that would be fantastic.

So, when you add both sets of notes to the Reading Wizard, will they appear under their respective cards, or will you put one full set of notes under the other (at the end of the reading?) My preference would be under their respective cards.

I had to email you the error message because for some reason it wouldn't post on the forum.

And, I've just downloaded the new daily beta. I shall run it through its paces and report back, sir, LOL!

Regards
purple_scorp

[Programmer]

Hi Scorp, Shari, Anyone else interested...

I just uploaded another beta today because there was a bug with downloading CardData files hanging around in the last one.

Just to say, it includes the changes we were discussing about the F6 form. However, I haven't started programming the reading wizard, so although the CardData form can handle both sets of notes, you can still only import the notes according to the current preference re pop-ups. I am hoping to do this by the end of next weekend. I will have it so either set of notes can be brought it, and saved with each card.

In fact here is my idea so you can tell me what you think: I am thinking of making the form more like a wizard, in a similar way to what I have done with the spread wizard form. First panel: do you want to create a reading or edit one? Second panel (after you click create) would offer you a kind of template for what would go into the reading (LWB notes, personal notes, reading notes etc) and in what order. Other fields might allow you to add headers or subheaders. There would be a header and footer section. Obviously all your preferences are saved for the next time you create a reading. These preferences would also be available for exports too, of course.

Cheers
Richard

[purple_scorp]

Hi Richard,

that idea sounds fabulous. How flexible will it be? Will we be able to select for multiple general notes sections so that it caters for something like a description of the deck at the top, and a summary at the bottom etc? (Hmm, now I'm thinking we might need some new fields in the Deck file to cater for additional deck information.)

Once you have created your template, how do you change it? In the options? Can you change it on a reading by reading basis? Perhaps you might want to consider putting in a button that says Use default Reading Template? so that we get the option of creating on-the-fly templates for ad-hoc readings.

Later I'll go and download the new, new beta (lol) and check out the F6 changes.

Cheers

purple_scorp

[Programmer]

To begin with it will just be a single set of choices that get saved. Later it could be one of a number of loaded templates. I don't know if this will make it into 6.5 though.