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Hi again,

While I was posting and dealing with sharing the edited Deck, Richard got back with his suggestion above which looks very promising. Thanks Richard (and sorry for my earlier tone!)

I look forward to testing that out and seeing how that works. As I've created two seperately set up Decks it should make it easier to see any difference or wrong operation.

Interestingly I'm wondering if your changes as mentioned above will take away what I see as a need for two seperately set up Decks.

One Deck for 'Normal People' (a group I've never been a member of!!!) with all the info regardless bundled in under Upright, and a
Second Deck with the info separated out so that it can be correctly displayed when using Reversals. I'm hoping it will.

Regards Greg the yeti

Just to say I now uploaded the beta which incorporates the changes I mentioned

Hi
Thanks Richard for the changes in the new version. Sorry it's taken a while to test it.

It all seems to work for me. It all seems to work as you described and as anticipated. It seems logical and matches the operation of the main program. So thanks again.

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With regard to the different issue of whether the same version of the Deck can be used for people who want to use the Reversed Funcitonality of the program and those who don't, I'm afraid that this gets a negative.

As far as I can work out two differently set up Decks will still be required. One with all the info in the Upright section and one with the info logged in seperately, under Upright or Reversed as appropriate. I tested using the Deck set up with Reversed info in the Reversed section. Using the setting Reversals 0, both the Main Program and the Saved readings displayed only the Upright information. This is the same as before.

I think that people who want to always have the cards Upright, rightly don't want to ignore the negative, less rosy eyed interpretations. This means that they REQUIRE the negative, reversed info logged into the Upright section. Hence why so many Decks have Card Information set up this way.

I sympathise with both positions, and actually use Decks in both these ways, depending on which Deck I'm using. (Then of course there are times when it is right to ignore the lwb altogether!)

I think it WOULD be possible to move to a system which used one file for both.
a) If Decks were set up with the negative/reversed info in the Reversed area
b) If there were some way of separating information that needs displaying for BOTH Upright and Reversed:-

The name of the Card and perhaps a number and possibly a basic theme despcription, needs displaying for both. Then Upright and Reversed can have a seperate more detailed exposition.

This could perhaps be a little like the situation in the Spread editor where there is a short line available for a name of the position, followed by a more detailed explanation, if there is one.

c) If the Reversed info was automatically added to the Upright if Zero Reversals is selected, or no selection made.

This would keep everybody happy and not require individual users to do quite so much work setting up their Decks if they want to diverge from the current norm, which simply ignores the 'Reversed' capabilities of the program.

Regards Greg the Yeti

I was wondering aloud about this on another thread but I will post it here as well because this is where it really belongs...

I was thinking that part c) of Greg's suggestion would go furthest to solving this problem with the least work. I don't think it would be too much trouble to have a deck-level option to include both sets of notes in the pop-ups in all cases where that option is set, or a program-level option to include both sets of notes in the pop-ups in all cases where there are zero reversals.

I was wondering whether anyone has an opinion as to why one of these alternatives might be better than the other?

Richard

I want to make sure I'm understanding before offering my opinion.
The proposition is: If a deck is set to zero reversals, show both the upright, and reversed notes in the pop-up.

The two options to apply this are either. on a per deck level, or program level.

If I'm understanding this, my answer would be on a deck level. I may want this option for a specific reason, on a specific deck, but wouldn't want it on ALL my decks. For one thing I use each of the notes area in a personal way on some decks, so for those decks it would be a mess.

Personally I work in F6 mode most of the time, but like the pop-ups for quick info, and review. I need to see the reversed meaning it's a quick shift click. Normally if I'm working in with the pop-up notes, I'm mousing anyway. I would still like to have a hot key for a quick switch between LBW Notes, and Personal Notes in the F6 or edit mode. There are ways, to move through the cards, and the tabs with the keyboard, but it's sometimes a trial .-)

Having lost most of my card notes in a personal mess months back, I don't have a lot in them now, but before I used the LWB notes for short notes and discription. BB stuff went into the personal area. I also have a deck more then once if I use it as a study deck. I guess for me, to tweak a deck by adding it again isn't a problem. Hard drive space isn't the premium it once was, memory use is small, and copying the notes as a starting point is easy. I start every deck with the same notes, and add personal cards notes to them.

I think that makes most sense. The change would be that on some decks you can see both sets of notes, if you choose that option for the deck. The other behaviour would be to only see the notes relevant to the position of the card in question. Which is the default could be established on the general tab, so it would be like many other behaviours work now: on the general tab you establish your default preference, and on the deck-by-deck options you define the exceptions.